I have certainly been neglecting teaching and to a certain extent training myself in limb destruction. To be sure we work breaks and locks all the time..it is our kempo. However,our system has this built into it as seen in some of the combinations, i.e. 5, 16, 21, 24, 26, 27,30, 32,35… but to really train it as a reflex and part of primary and secondary target selection…I am a bit remiss. Unlike 27 and 23 and other techniques that trap and do something to the limb, there is an aspect of fighting that involves targeting nerve centers in the arms and legs as well as muscle groups that I recognize as limb destruction (yes Master Dwire I realize that the goshin jitsu way of blocking in combination 6 constitutes limb destruction as well… 🙂 ) It is a valuable tool that I realize I do not train enough..Time to correct that, n’est pas. Does anyone here specifically train the swift direct attack to a limb as I described above or do we all concentrate mainly on joints and elbows as secondary targets? It will be sore for all of us but i am asking the higher ranking students to regularly work on this to make it a more natural target. This as opposed to the more common and perfectly legitimate downward strike to the incoming limb.
I like to take lessons from the forms and the combinations and techniques that are specific. A good combo or technique on its own should be an effective fighting response. Yet, there are specific skill sets being taught, as well, that are valuable to work on outside the context of a set technique. This is a good way to integrate the indexed knowledge into my fighting ability…and flow. it helps me make my kempo more ‘alive’ including the forms, btw.
Limb Destruction
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I do as a result of training some Kajukenbo. Go to youtube to watch some of their punch defenses. One of the staple blocks they use is an inward parry block with one hand and a hammer fist to the bicep with the other. It is a brutal combination and when that bicep is hit it is hard to raise that arm afterward. Great topic Marlon.
Yes Marlon we train for the destruction down here in Florida. And I to find some interesting defenses in the forms that target the arms and nerve centers pretty well. Justin is right about Kajukenbo that blocking technique he mentioned will make your arm dead for a while even when done moderately. Is this line of thought from the techniques we were working after the seminar like the one Tammy taught? Justin is right again this is a great topic!!!
think of training “destructions of the Limbs” as BJJ/Grappling/Submissions/groundfighting.
It is a form of “Insurance”, meaning, if you practice/train in it, if the occasion ever happens, you have the insurance to handle the situation!
:o)
I have always had an issue on the “Break” in combo 27. Is this break when you block down and trap on leg? If so i do not see how it is possible. Are we to assume that the conversation is that on the first move we break something?
ummm 27? Its all soft tissue strikes (except the spinning knife hand). Unless you trap the punching arm with the return of the first strike and the out reach of the second. Which isn’t a bad idea, but I have never seen it done this way. I will have to try this out.
Hello Justin, the entry with the way i learned 27 is a dropping knife hand to the incoming arm sandwiched with a rising knee to the underside of the incoming arm. How do you have it?
Good to hear from you Bill. I am not sure if the Saturday morning training session stirred this up in me or not, however, limb destruction as a striking concept has always been a part of my kempo yet i realized that it is not spontaneous enopugh in my reactions for my tastes and if i have a deficiency then it is easy to pass it on to my students. So i am working on correcting it for myself and my students. I have not seen the kaju clips you and Justin mentioned yet…time…i want more of it 🙂
Mark, i like what you said, locks and breaks are great ‘insurance’ in a fight. I am thinking more along the lines of a striking typre of limb destruction rather than a jujitsu type of concept.
Oh, btw yes Justin we trap the arm in 27 also with the return of the first strike and even as we go into the spinning knife / elbow.
Bill how do you train limb destruction in your dojo. Do you simply go back and forth striking limbs or through techniques, or drills…?
be well
marlon and all, i have #27 the way marlon has it.
Marlon, i practice all type of destructions.
Got have that insurance:o)
p.s… to all, jim brassard is selling on ebay, the whole set of dm’s/combinations 1 thru 90 for 250$
Are jim brassards dvd’s any good? I’ve seen some video clips but he wasn’t doing anything I didn’t already know. He’s definitely very talented and intelligent.
Marlon for us we have a small catagory of techniques and most have at least two moves that target a limb to be classed as a “destruction”
But we do drills that target the bones and nerve centers an of course the joints, and we practice them back an forth on each other .Just have to be a little careful…For a more realistic feel we sometimes break half inch wood dowels to get an idea of how much force needed and the feel of the snap … sometimes makes you hurt too.
nice. How often do you feel this is necessary to drill for it to be a ‘natural’ response under duress?
When I was taught 27 it was with a front kick not a knee and there was no pin there, but I believe there was a pin with the spin as you mentioned marlon.
Marlon we train it as a target of opportunity or entry.We may take a couple of weeks where we work just on it ,and then we revisit it once in awhile to keep it sharp.
I have 27 as the downward knifehand trapping the punch against the rising knee and extending to a frontball kick coming down to the driving knifehand to the nose,then jump switch to a left side horse stance with a left reverse knife to the throat ,spin to the right reverse knife to the kidney and left step forward to the left driving knife to the spine. I was told not to wrap the attackers arm….but I can see how it would really work well..nice
Ok, I was taught that the break was on the Knife hand down, knee up trap/break – Never could see the break. the way we were supposed to do it for testing never had the arm trap break on the spin but i can see it, as it has similiarities too #42. I consider the driving knife hand to the nose and simo. front kick to mid/low section to be enough driving force to push the person back added with the left cross shuto to throat from left sanchin stance. My opponent is set up for two possibilities – a continued spin that stays in front of opponent catching him with either a knife hand to temple or cortisan fan to eyes (depending on distance) and then the follow through left palm heal to object of opportunity. or the second option being the step behind right knife hand to kidney and full step left foot back left palm to spine (T5 area). I am liking this thread.
fERAL, ON YOUTUBE, HE POSTED DM/COMBO #74, FYI… HE’S GOT SOME GOOD STUFF!
Nice wrote up for 27 Bill. I have it the way you described. I was never told taught to hang on the the arm with the spin but we kind of ” found” it while working with the technique. Jesse I cannot see the initial trap as a break either. One could sustain a crush injury to the small bones in the hand but… And your inside turn approach to 27 reminds me of 38.
I have introduced regular limb destruction drills into the classes now. I made them from some of the combinations mainly with the intetion that the students develop a “natural” limb destruction response as a part of thier kempo as opposed to making it a different mind set. Basically I changed the targets or added a target as part of the move that does not change the mechanics of things. How many of you focus on the exterior targets such as the tricep or the ligament ( triple warmer point) just above the elbow for limb destruction as opposed to the bicep, shoulder and brachial nerve plexus ?
I find it interesting that the tricep is a regular target found in the skk combo’s. #21, #26, #32….
True enough Justin, however I meant as an intial strike.
In my combos’ 21, 26. 32 – we are attacking more of the armpit with leopard paws – focusing on the nerves that run through it. SGM Pesare does 26 with a uppercut to the armpit in hopes to pop it. — As for initial strikes to limbs we do it a lot with our double blocks. Sigung Duncan always taught the iron fortress blocks as more of a block and attack of one of the muscles or joints with the second hand, not as a reinforcer to the block. Hitting with the Iron Thumb (some of you call this the Hon Tsuki strike) or the Phoenix eye (dragon’s tooth) I am not sure if this was from his Kempo training because I do not see a lot of people do it from around here – He may of introduced it from his Silat training but just called everything Kempo. We also did a lot of trapping that instantly snapped the elbow as we touched the wrist. (think monkey block from outside and blasting elbow with elbow.) I believe the form is called Sien Chen in Goju and the things that look like roundhouse elbows are the trap block/breaks.
Jesse
Marlon are you saying that your intitial move is a strike to a limb? as in evade and attack limb? If so I will say we do not train that a lot- mostly in our Leopard techniques.
Yes, that’s the limb destruction I meant. Love the iron fortess block stuff you learned from your teacher. I have the Jon sulu fist and pheonix eye strikes but never used them with the block. The double block / attack the limb move is great and I have internalized that aspect at least. other than the brachial nerve plexus how do your leopards effect limb destruction. It is a very leopard move. They way we have been discussing it, it is pretty much an inside move but what about an outside attack. I have a few snakes that do this and I am wondering how others train this. Btw is it something you would add more to the training or leave things as you currently do them ?
So the auto correct changed hon suki into Jon sulu … apologies
I do not know if I would change to much per say. Does not mean that I wouldnt work it a little more here and there but I have been taught from the beginning. Pepper them up with the rapid Kempo strikes and when that is done you finish with the JuJitsu
That my friend is the start of a whole new topic I believe. “Where Kempo ends JuJitsu begins and where JuJitsu ends Kempo begins”.
i have them inside armpit, slight 45degree up ward angle strike, to really”Get in there”
Hi Mark, be aware that the inside the armpit thing as well as being a nerve strike can damage the brachial artery and cause significant internal bleeding.
Where dies kempo end and the jujitsu begin? It’s all SKK and that is what I love about this style. Although we tend to advertise and break things up for teachings sake isn’t it really just the essence of our style. It is for me what sets us apart from other styles. When grabbed we hit and chile and lock and throw … When punched we hit and lock and choke and gran and throw and call it all kempo. Beautiful stuff. Btw this is a big difference I see btwn SKK and EPAK. Their striking rarely ends with anything else. Well blended is this Villari kempo, no matter our opinions of the
man and his business dealings etc… Great point Justin and Master Dwire.
As for me I have added more drills to target the biceps and triceps and shoulders and thighs
to make them more of a natural target. Nit every class but every week certainly.
Kempo and Jujitsu are intrinsicly bound, they can not be seperated. They are two aspects of the same ryu. As for the statement about EPAK not having jujitsu wrapped up in a neat package as SKK does, that isn’t accurate. Again, some have tried to take the Jujitsu out of EPAK but it is an impossability. You can’t seperate the two when you are teaching to defend against chokes, holds and grabs (i.e Jujitsu). So the first way Jujitsu is taught is in the attack. There is no need to defend against an attack that is not menacing (i.e. done correctly). The second way Jujitsu is taught is within the techniques. As in SKK, EPAK has joint locks/manipulations, throws and chokes/strangulations built within the techniques. NOW if it is not taught that way that isn’t the systems short falls but the teachers, just as our SKK has had bad PR on its quality of student. In both cases it is not the system to be faulted but the teacher, and again the teacher can only teach what they have learned.
Oh and a note as to tone of my post, for informational purposes. No offense meant or taken. 🙂
right, skk, when you get past second degree, really starts at third and above, follows the path of the dragon= meaning= you constantly flow into a final finish/hold/break/choke/etc…
one thing leads to another, and another, etc….
(we all have our magical “31 baskin robbins flavors and endings we all like”:o)
marlon, one of my fav’s is the right hand cross hand shuto to side of throat/simultaneously throwing a right thrust kick to solars!
Hello Justin,
I aquiese to your superior knowledge of EPAK. I will say that from punch counters in have not seen AK techniques flow into locks and throws the way skk does. Of course my exposure is limited and even against grabs most of the AK techniques are about striking, that I have seen. Only Doc in discussions about SL4 have I heard bring up what you mention . You also have had the
benefit of a teacher who has a huge range if knowledge which may colour his EPAK to your benefit. Do you know of other EPAK teachers who bring the se level of intergrated jujitsu? As for SGM Parker I certainly know he was well aware and skilled inthese types of controls. The massarket model of kenpo karate that he
built , with you being the exception, has never demonstrated this aspect of his art. This is aside from defense counters to grabs
and holds. Thanks for the info.
And I did not find anything offensive in your tone at all
I think that the “poster child” techniques such as five swords give the impression that you are speaking of, but like any art we all have our ideas of what it is or isn’t and it isn’t until we delve deeper into the study of such arts that we find out what it comprises truely. As to my EPAK teacher you are correct, he crossreferences 46 other arts when teaching just about EPAK teacher so I don’t know if the jujitsu aspect is widely taught.
Justin,
5 swords done by EPAK, or, cerio’s 5 sword hands???
Breaking the will:
As opponent punches in either straight right/right hook to jaw, simultaneously perform #2 ridge hand block, and front ball kick to opponent’s knee cap(when practicing, gently touch the kneecap)
Right foot steps down to outside of opponent’s right leg. You will be in a slight 45degree.Right reverse ridge hand to groin, left hand cross hand shuto to throat, right thrust to solars , as left hand checks under right, near armpit, left reverse tiger claw to groin, grab, tear, right hand tiger claw to face(above mouth)
Right leg hocks opponent’s right leg.
Quickly drop right knee into opponent’s groin, and quickly deliver right thrust punch, because opponent’s head will pop up once knee drop hits groin. The thrust will smash the head back to the ground.
Right leg front scoops under opponent’s jaw, right front plant next to opponent’s right side of head, and slight pivot off of right leg, now deliver a left axe kick between his eyes with “Kia!”
Cross hands on guard.
Circular Pendulum of Death:
Same intro as # 31, except, once you hit the shuto knife hand to throat, left hand grabs wrist, right hand grabs under shoulder, to pull opponent’ over in a slight leaning forward position. Arm break at elbow, then quickly place left leg on top of opponent’s back of neck. Shoot left leg back, as in throwing a left back kick, low, though, this causes the opponent to “Flip”(when practicing, before you do the “Pendulum Leg Flip”, advise the Friend to please tuck his/her head, into chest, and go with the flip, otherwise, severe damage can be done!)
Drop right knee into chest, to pin, and quickly drop right eagle claw into throat, tear out, with left cross hand shuto to side of throat. Right leg crescent kicks head counter clockwise, then stomps on temple with “kia”.
Cross, hands on guard.
Avenging Leapard (good flow, and Muay Thai Shin
Kick at End!)
As opponent punches in with straight right to jaw, step to 45 with left leg, and simultaneously #1 dragon trap arm, quick break at elbow. Right roundhouse elbow to arm, to pin arm into opponent’s side, and striking the stomach at same time. Right back fist/ left palm heel to temple, thus turning opponent’s head to left side( you will see why in a minute.)
Left muay thai kick to back of opponent’s right leg, thus dropping him down to a knee. Left steps down slightly behind opponent. Now, here is the Good ending!
Right leg, Muay thai Full Force Shin kick all the way threw the opponent’s side of head, and yes, spin threw with it!
“Kia!”
(note, when practicing, throw the kick slowly, over opponent’s head, and spin slowly all the way threw it, counter clockwise, to get the flow. This is one of my personal favorites!)
Cerio’s 5 Sword Hands (not Epak’s 5 swords!)
As opponent punches in with straight right to face, left leg draws back into cat stance, simultaneously throwing a #2 shuto block to opponent’s wrist.Quickly step out with left leg, and quickly deliver a left shuto knife hand to side of throat.Right downward shuto to collarbone, as left hand checks under right, left cross hand shuto straight into throat, followed by right driving shuto to opponent’s clavicle, as you unwind at the hip/waist(drives opponent back.)
(advanced ending-As opponent goes back, shuffle in forward and deliver simultaneously right reverse ridge hand to groin, simultaneously deliver left floating palm heel to right kidney-you will have to get under the opponent’s right shoulder to do this, repeat the shuffle in and simultaneous strikes repeatedly, I like 3 or 4 times, while I keep pressing forward each and every time, as they never see the double hand strikes, and they keep getting “Shocked” each and every time you nail them! Right hand shuts up under jaw, left hand grabs back of opponent’s head ,back of neck, pull head back, and right hand shuto to throat. ”Kia”)
i copied and pasted some of cerio’s kempos here, sorry all, but 5 sword hands is in there.
I had learned, and always taught, that if a person is holding a knife pointed at you, to Strike to the Bicep or block at the bicep if they lunge in at you. Use a Leopard’s Paw, a Cross Knifehand Block, a Single Horizontal Driving Knifehand.
Also, a Downward Cross Knifehand Block or Double Downward Snapping Palm Heel Block, at the nerve at the forearm (is that called the radial bone?), just above the wrist.
Or for any punch coming in, an Outward Knifehand block to the inside of his arm, at that same nerve right on the edge of the forearm. Many times, I’ve just given a nice quick shot, and the guys hand goes all tinglely for quite awhile.
Also, a Raising Up Palm Heel Strike up under the elbow. Haven’t I seen that alot in Hawaiian/West Coast Kempo?
Not sure about initial strike to Tricep Tendon, except if you “gather in” his punch, grab his wrist/fist with both hands and pivot, put his arm under your armpit, and put pressure on his tricep tendon (a la Small Circle JJ).
You can always try to do a Simultaneous Left Cross Palm Block at his hand from the outside together with a Rt Cross Tiger’s Mouth to the inside of his wrist (i.e. as in knife defense technique in which you send the knife flying out of his hand). This Double Block will “break down” his fist/wrist, and can cause considerable pain to his wrist. Further, you can get right into a wrist lock from here.
Of course there is always the old fashioned Double Forearm Block to the outside of his punch, grab, and pull his forearm down into a rising knee, to break arm.
You can utilize Double Sword action. Move to outside of his punch a bit. Rt Sword (bending your arm up at the elbow) to inside at wrist, trapping arm, and a Lt Sword strike to elbow from the outside.
Yes, Leopard’s Paw, etc, up under the armpit can be effective, and deadly. You can dislocate his shoulder. But also, you can strike to the spot just at the shoulder to the chest. I don’t know what it is called. That”gap”, below the collarbone. There are alot of nerves in there. I often do it after I’ve wrapped up his arm, under his tricep tendon. Then I strike to that “gap” with a Driving Knifehand (you can pop the shoulder too). I put my hand there, and then place my arm wrapping hand on my wrist for a Figure 4 Lock. From here, I can do almost anything I want with him. I can throw him, Osoto Gari (what do you call it? Hock leg take down?), or a Winding Throw, etc..
nice stuff Todd. Thanks. I am not sure about the block to the bicep with a knife coming at me but i will give it some work. As for the radial nerve, my only my first kempo teacher ever focused on the quick twisting motion at the end of eack block to add a little something extra and she often ‘activated’ that nerve on me while demonstrating 🙂 As for the tricep if you do an outward rt block and then a quick thrust punch it can be a devastating counter. There are a great many ways to add some limb destruction, however, i am focusing in this thread mainly on a quick initial response to counter an attack more along the lines of a jab. Master Dwire mentioned that this type of counter in mainly a leopard thing for him and in thinking about it further we have these mainly in our animals as well and less so in the combinations. Try guiding the punch past you with a light sticky contact with the left hand (against a rt punch) and then rap the small bones with the knuckles of your rt hand.. the left hand sticks to the wrist letting you know where your target is…. We have a snake that steps to 11:00 with the left leg while simultaneously doing an open hand outward block to the wrist with the rt hand and then a quick thrust to the tricep followed by a right front 2 knuckle just above the knee. I have some tigers with that dropping palm to the forearm as in combo 37 many of our snakes will have precision attacks to limbs; we have a crane that the initial block is a rising crane’s head (or chicken wrist for you Americans 🙂 ) that is really a strike to some nerves on the underside of the wrist. Some have combination five with the block as a sandwiching type block to the wrist. wicked painful (also seen in 36). Master Dwire brought up a parry type block with one hand while the other shoots a backfist into the limb’s soft tissue #31 has a dropping knife to the collar bone or shoulder which could constitue initail attack limb destruction. the palm trap block of 16 that you mentioned is great limb destruction. the nice thing about this type of counter is that it is quick, painful and can work against grabs, pushes, punches, while standing or on the ground….Ithe thing for me, and as a natural hazard, for my students as well, is to work it into a reflexive response against a quick punch that is going to be retracted fast! I now look for them even in the middle of a technique so i can take it “out” and make it my initial response. Knees, quads, biceps, triceps, the collarbone, inner thigh…i think i have seen GM Villari (on video) kicking the wrist as limb destruction as well…oh the top of the foot… again, all nice thoughts (nice?) but until i work it into a natural fighting response for myself and my students…. I love the tips i am getting here so thanks and keep them coming
well, I’m just trying to grasp in my mind what you mean by “limb destruction”, that is all.
So, yes, quick, immediate, initial strikes to the limbs (joints, wrist, hand, bone, nerves, tissue, muscle) certainly is a nice way to go.
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I was watching some of Jim Bressard’s videos on YouTube last night. What was it? #17???? I forget…with step in with Double Tiger Claws, one to groin other to face. He showed at interesting point. To step in and to block the Rt punch (in this case a Rt roundhouse punch) with your Lt arm, as you are stepping in with your RT foot, such that your Lt elbow is up high and your hand is already in a Tiger’s Claw and going into his face. So that you are catching his punch befoe it comes in, and catching it against your Rt tricep area as your elbow is up high above the line of his arm, and your forearm is perpendicular with your hand strike to his face. Also, striking with Rt Tiger Claw to the groin at the same time.
So, if this were adapted, to be blocking to the limb, perhaps with your elbow to his forearm, raidal nerve, bent elbow joint, etc. That might meet your requirement. I dunno. just a thought.
One thing I learned to use against straight in punches, jabs, etc, besides an Inward Cross Palm Block to the outside of his punch….is a nice, quick, effective, and painful Inverted Ridgehand Block to the inside of his punch at his wrist/radial nerve. Just a quick flick up there, and it can give you the ‘fraction on an inch” you need. Followed by a quick strike to the face, eyes, neck with the same hand. Leaving the other hand to guard.
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Also, I had learned to use continuous flow of rising sword hands against continuous jabs (both Lt and Rt) coming at you. Just keep up slicing, inside and out, until you get the chance, and then either strike, kick, wrap up arm, lock out arm or wrist, etc. But that is from Aikido.
But there is no limb destruction in that, since they are really just continuous deflections.
But I liked what you said about the strike to the collarbone. We always had….not sure what you call it…..but where you take your Rt arm, swing it up high to your rear, over your Rt shoulder, to the front (your hand up high over your head now), then let your body’s weight move into the opponent, and just let your Rt hand/arm drop down naturally under its own weight, and strike with a Ridgehand (going straight down) at his collarbone, top of shoulder, at the base at side of neck.
It is very effective, and unexpected by him. It hurts too.
Didn’t Jeff Speakman do a lot of block and strike to soft spots? I think he might have liked to use alot of “gingitzu”. Can’t think of the Kempo name for it, right now. But the strike with your hand in a fist, and the middle knuckle is sticking out a bit, with the thumb behind it for support. Or you could use a trigger finger (first finger in same shape).
You can block and then strike with a gingitzu to the forearm, back of hand, wrist, etc. strike inbetween the muscle structures at the top , middle area of forearm.
But of course, a Leopard’s Paw would do nicely too.
That is one of the great things about Kempo, all the different hand strikes. I tell people all the different hands strikes I have (granted I count as a different strike such things as a Ridgehand and an Inverted Ridgehand, a Shuto and a Crosshand Shuto). In my Kempo Notebook, I have page after page ofdifferent strikes. That other stylists have no idea what the hell I am talking about. i.e. Dragon Tail, Immortal Man, Dragon Tooth, Eagle’s Talon, Snake strike, Crab Strike, etc, etc… So many other styles have a punch, hammer, knifehand, palm, and not much more.
You can do the #16 thing, by moving inside his punch, Lt Outward Knifehand Block at his wrist, with a Ridgehand (your arm bending back towards you) behind his Tricep Tendon. That will give you a straight arm bar on him. It will bend him over towards you. Where you can knee him in the Solar or perhaps face. Is this a Combo? Or do I have this as a Kempo Punch Tech or a Knife/Club TEch? with good enough timing, it can be quick enough so that he can not pull back his punch, and you can easily snap his elbow.
Wait a minute…..I’m thinking, thinking… dusting off the cobwebs of my mind….. I’m remembering a nice technique… must be from Snake or Dragon… If you want a quick response, reflexive action… here goes..
Say you are out in the street, regular clothes, etc. Some jerk comes up to you. You stand in a natural relaxed stance. Hand loose by your side or slightly in front of you. He throws a punch at you, jab or straight punch, or even cross. Using “ki” as in “aiki” (harmony-spirit), you “blend” with your attacker, with his spirit, his energy, his punch coming in. You do a little step in and to the left (if you can), and/or just lean a bit to the left and move your body, weight, energy in towards him. As the punch comes in, both your hands come up quickly and loosely, then SNAP (what I like to call “willow and oak”. First you are like a willow tree branches, loose.. then SNAP, you are like an oak tree branches… strong). So… with your Lt hand you do a quick, loose, snapping Palm or Knifehand block to the outside of his punch at the fist/wrist/forearm… then with your Rt hand, you snap it up loosely, and elongated, as a Ridgehand, right into his bent elbow joint from the inside of his arm. I’m not sure what you call it exactly, but sort of like a Willow Trap or Monkey Trap only your hand is working the other direction, the Ridgehand side. Now since he should be punching past you, you will have no trouble getting into his elbow joint. With a quick Double Snap of both, can be quite devastating. But further, you can breakdown the elbow joint, collapse the arm, bend the arm, and getting immediatelly into a bent arm/armlock. If you then do a Circular Ridgehand around his elbow joint, moving your elbow up high, and thus moving his elbow down and across his front….together with….you pushing his forearm back towards him (you may need to turn your Lt hand on his wrist, to get a hold to push his forearm back). While you pivot C-C slightly. Then once forearm is bent back, you can take your Rt hand and place it over your Lt Wrist, and you have a Figure 4 Arm lock. From there, you can turn him down, walk him back and down, or step under his Rt arm with your RT foot for a shoulder throw.
I know this must be a Combo or something, cuz I can visualize some Master doing it.
Of course one can always rely upon the old stand by defense against a jab, from Boxing….just putting your head forward and into it, and let his jab hit the Top part of your Forehead, i.e. the hardest part on your head. You will get immediate “limb destruction” there, i.e. he will probably break bones in his hand.
Marlon….on your “snake at 11:00……”, after you do a Lt strike to tricep (which I am still trying to grasp how that works, but ok), instead of a Rt strike to top of knee, you could do….drop down low, onto your left knee, and drop your Lt forearm to the top or side of his Rt knee together with your Rt hand wrap around behind his heel from the inside, and do a “push” takedown. If you do it to the side of his knee, with your Rt Ridgehand snapping at the inside of his ankle, you could break his knee. Else, if you push him down, get up and move into him, and do an Achilles Lock with your Rt Ridgehand. Then you can turn him over on his front, do a “Boston Back Breaker” (as we call it here in Boston), etc, etc.,etc.
Isn’t a “crane’s head” a “crane’s beak”? Check my notebook. I have over 100. Yikes!! I have 1a) thru 1h), 2a) thru 2g), etc.. 4a) thru 4r) (those are all different Palm strikes). Hummm??? I have one here “Reverse Tiger’s Mouth” (to throat – probably only use when opponent is on ground)”??? Ohhh, there’s the good ole Riken, I like that one.
Ok, on to page 3……….I guess I just call that one I talked about above, the Ridgehand coming down from up high over your head, as a “Dropping Ridgehand”..
I have 12 different Leopard’s Paw. Yikes!!
Oh “Dragon’s Tooth” is a “Trigger Finger”.
What was I looking for?
oh.. Crane…..page 4…..ok,
I have “Crane’s Beak” being a forward strike which grabs and bites at the opponent. i.e. to his chest or cheek or somewhere.
ooops!!!
I have “Crane’s Head” being a forward strike, with all your fingers closed tightly together and striking as a hard object. i.e. to sternum, nose, etc..
I have “Crane’s Wing” and “Broken Crane’s Wing”
Now a “Chicken Wrist” is with your fingers together, straight, dangling down, your hand bent over, and you strike with your wrist (i.e. shape as if you were doing wrist pushups). Strike up under the chin, etc..
So I have that a Crane’s Head and a Chicken Wrist are different. So I’m not sure which one you are talking about, above, Marlon. Just trying to get “terminology” straight. Since I go back to 1979, in Boston area under Villari.
but, yes, I love that block in Combe #5. I learned it as a snapping together (both vertically and into his arm) of your Lt Shuto and Rt Chicken Wrist. Where the points on your Lt and Rt come together “pinch” at the nerve at the inside of his forearm just above the wrist. Yes, VERY PAINFUL!!! but very nice. I love that block. If you can learn to do it “short and sweet”, quickly and subtely, with your hand down. It can be quite nice. You can use it to the outside of his punch too.
You could adapt it against kicks as well. I generally use a Cross Sword block against a roundhouse kick. But if you could let a Side Kick pass, move inside, you could snap that block to his Achilles or calf.
Also, you could use the same principle and snap it forward to his face. Snapping Driving Vertical Shuto, with a Snapping Chicken Wrist just under the chin.
Oww!!!…. I just did it to myself… that hurts!!!!
Page 5…. I guess a “gingitzu” is a “Phoenix”..
I got “Praying Mantis”,
I have 6 pages typed up of strikes .. yikes!!!
I still have to figure out what a “honsuki fist” and a “oxjaw strike” is, I’m still not sure….
ADHD kicking in — cant focus through long posts — did catch a few things and I like them.. I would like to add that normally the ‘Dragon’s Tooth” strike is the same as the “Phoenix Eye” which is the Middle knuckle — also called Lung Tao (that may be spelled wrong)
Not to sidetrack, but anyone know why our phoenix eye is the middle knuckle while just about any style of kung fu uses the index?
Wow, Jesse’s ADHD kicking in on me. That was a lot Todd. Some cool stuff. What art do you do now since you stopped training in SK?
just wanted to say hello.. no one has been on.. what Matt – you busy or something? hahaha, Dont forget guys seminar at my school June 27th. check the webpage for more info
wish i could go:o(
we used to do the twisting bone cut on the block but after being exposed to Sublevel Four Kenpo we have discovered that while this can have an effect, it costs more than it is worth, and there are other things you can do to get more OUCH into it anyway without paying that cost.
There are 2 great targets to attack on an arm that is punching: Lung-5 (radial nerve), and Heart-2 (gap between bicep and tricep about half way down). Heart-2 is most effective after a slap-block to the outside of the arm, reference the Kaju version of #6, so it is better for straight punch and L5 is better on a looping punch.
The SL-4 blocks are incredibly strong, nto just in delivering punishment to the blocked weapon, but also they are not manipulatable. Guy punches only so he can grab your block and attack YOUR arm JJ style. SL-4 blocks are like the “unbendable arm” trick!
Those are the only 2 striking methods we use of “limb destruction”. We re heavily into the BJJ style groundfighting so I have a number of arm attacks in that arena, and of course we have SKK combos that do all kinds of locks, take down and breaks.
if you go to my Youtbue channel you can see a playlist there of SL Kenpo basic techniques, look at #3 and #4 for the inward block I am talking about.